As a mechanic for over 35 years, I agree with your video. It is impossible to give a perfect setup for everyone in every car. I have a set up that works for me, most of the time. Sometimes I need to do things differently. I know how all this works and all that and even I can't tune every car for every person. You did as well as you can do... Good job.
Rory, what a fabulous video/ tutorial. Very very informative, but not too complicated. Covered everything you'll need to know for the tuning races...legend
It’s literally swings and roundabouts. Like you cannot have everything, it’s either/or. You gain here but you lose there. Or as Einstein would say, every action has an equal opposite reaction 🤣 It’s like I notice they’ve made a lot of the hyper-fast EVs incredible at acceleration and top speed but utterly atrocious at cornering-Porsche VGT Spyder, I’m looking a yo.
every track is different, and cracking the rite(#1 set up for each track and conditions surface weather etc, is still something people and race teams are figuring out to this day.
and heres this guy... Life long mechanic giving lessons for playing a video game. Until youre watching a Call of Duty video, at which point you get to share you combat skills, as a retired Delta Force combatant
Here's another tip: Don't change multiple settings at once. If it handles badly, you won't know which settings are at fault. Change one thing at time - then test drive. If it feels better, save the spec at that point. If the next adjustment feels worse, revert to the save. One step at a time.
It should be noted, that damper compression and rebound only affect the suspension during movement. In other words, more downforce requires more natural frequency, not more damping. The aero load is applied much too slowly for the dampers to affect the suspension. This is why more comprehensive sims use proper low and high speed damper settings. Low speed are for vehicle direction changes (slow damper movements) and high speed is used for bumps, curbs, and jumps (high damper speeds). You ultimately want to run the softest springs you can without bottoming for the most mechanical grip, and set the dampers so the tires stay in contact with the ground but keep the suspension from contacting the bumpstops.
True. But most people forget some simple, but utterly important facts. Different tracks demand different setups. Some tracks are bumpy, some are smooth flat surface, some has gentle curbs, some has really rugh curbs (you should stay away from.) But also the gearing is important. Max speed reached just before breaking after the fastest section on a given track, differnt gears adjusted, so they fit the corners, which reduces your amount of shifts and your already in the powerband. Aero adjusting, according to track. Short tracks with a lot of cornering demands lots of downforce, medium fast tracks will have a benifit of lowering the downforce, and sometimes the track benifits fron a general low downforce, which gives you a slightly lower corner speed, but you will make that up by beeing 5-6 km/h faster on all the straights. I've been a race drive, so i know exactly what a few mm adjusted the right place can influence the out come, dramatically.
As a professional driving instructor, I have to hand it to you: your approach and content in this video are excellent and informative. Hats off, must have been quite a bit of work.
It does help a bit, for a beginner, such as myself but it would be more beneficial or an easier understanding if you took a default or stock setup and actually show how you're applying the tuning in real time. This is the number of said categories when you first buy or receive the car, and this is the number I changed it to and why. I realize it would be a much longer video, but for us with zero knowledge of tune, we would watch the entire thing, so we had an even more understanding of the dynamics at play. Anyways, any help is better than nothing at all
Rory, what a fabulous video/ tutorial. Very very informative, but not too complicated. Covered everything you'll need to know for the tuning races...legend
Speaking as a pensioner who has managed to reach this age without developing any significant level of mechanical aptitude, I think i actually understood most of that. I often copy tunes that posters on RUclips show for various cars, but apart from sticking on medium race tyres, or inters if it's wet, to most cars, or weight removal, race brakes, and a turbo to a few others, I don't really attempt to alter the detailed settings myself, because I've never been able to predict the results and would have no clue if I was going to make things better or worse. After watching your easy-to-follow guide, I feel it may be more worthwhile having a go. Thanks. Much appreciated.
After watching a lot of tuning videos, this is the one we needed especially when it comes to explaining LSD settings. Simple and Concise. Great Job Rory!
Toe works for stability in both directions with the rear to a certain extent. At least in real life. Toe out in the rear is actually what I preferred on my race cars because it helps the car rotate in the turn and anything over 600 horsepower is going to naturally toe in as the car accelerates because the front of the wheels want to pull forward so we would set up our car stationary with a slight toe out. Toe in on the rear always killed the front end, made my car push, ruin my drive off turns. I was taught in school that a majority of production vehicles are set up with the drive wheels being toe out just from the wheels natural tendency to pull itself forward back to center line under acceleration which is what the car is doing a majority of its life.
Your string theory is incredible and using the toys for comparison is a great idea. Entertaining and true. Love your content. Thank you so much for making it.
Great video Rory, been looking for something like this because I recently started playing Project Cars 3 as well where a lot of tuning is required and it gets frustrating sometimes. This will certainly help a great deal. I wish there was a part where you can explain all these tuning aspects in relation to different drivetrains. For example how FWD, RWD and 4WD behave when you change different settings and which basic rules one can follow for each setting relative to the type of car.
Thank you so much for highlighting how useful anti roll bars for grip while low. People so quickly dismiss it for max "feel" of grip, when what they actually feel is stiffness. A million out of ten. The only thing you could do for a next video is. What physics traits does gt7 not get right and we need to work around, vs following exact real life tuning options.
Thank you so much for this. I now see at least two things I need to do differently, rear toe angle and LSD breaking. The rest will helpful for getting the most performance.
I love that Rory never talks much about car dynamics but he actually understands tune and tuning on a scientific level I wonder how he was younger he’s great
Well this video is gonna help me out a lot in the future ! Very well explained for people like me who have no background with cars or racing in real life 🙌 Thanks Rory 🏆
i've been winging it for decades with tuning, lol. Right now I have a porsche that does a wheelie for about 100mph... not sure how badly i broke it. Tried to have only 20% at the front wheels but i have to baby her. Shes a BEAST though once uh.. i can drive it. The 959. Thanks for the video.
I feel like tuning is adjusting values in relation to the stock geometry of the car. Thats fine when youre dealing with high performance cars, but when trying to escalate cars like older muscle cars, even maxed out spring and dampers still dont feel like enough.
I will never understand why they changed the spring rate to this confusing frequency unit instead of simple kg/mm like in the games before. It's not even consistent from car to car.
I really appreciate the information that you gave us in your video. You made it so easy to understand the things that were so difficult for me to understand before. Thank you. On a sidenote, has anyone ever told you that you remind them of Jason Statham… if you had a shaved head lowered your voice some and added a little rasp to it😂… I’m just saying…
Hi master, can you make a video on how to configure the steering wheel in Gran Turismo? I have a Logitech g29 and when I play competitive multiplayer I feel that my car brakes too much in the corners unlike the other players. They go at maximum speed in each corner and I also feel that it takes a while to accelerate and regain maximum speed when exiting a corner. I have also noticed that before taking a corner my car also brakes, unlike other players, I have tried deactivating the assistance and the problem persists. Thank you.
Toe in on rear increases slip angle.= tire slides easier. Toe out decreases slip angle.= less chance for tire slip. The tire your leaning on [rear]should be helping you turn not shearing the road surface. I find a little toe out in rear help car turn. Add more acceleration in the lsd to that tire your leaning on during the turn will help kick the rear out. Works for me.
Nice video, appreciate the time it took to put it together. Sadly, it highlights the greatest issue- without a "guidebook" from PD, all of this is largely hearsay. I can find numerous suspension tuning videos from other quality content racers that will disagree with many of the points you've raised. They will even show in game content to back up their explanation.
Thanks man, this was very helpful. I’ve noticed you said ‘damper’ quite a lot, but that thing is called a dampener 🤔 I guess the damper would be something that makes the thing damp (wet). Love your videos! 🥂
Careful... Your going to spark an argument with the... Damper / Shock absorber community 😮😂. It absorbs shock from hitting bumps. And it dampens the movement of the spring. 🎉
Thank you for explaining. But how I put this together? Where do I start? Say the car is ok to drive but a bit more grip out of corners would be nice. Now what do I do? For example.
In my case of i breaking long my car is about to spin unless i control the breaking. What would u change to make it better to control during breaking ?
Now this is another video from you that will help me improve. Best RUclips channel by a mile!! Thank you. Hopefully on A+ soon 😅😅 Loving the Christmas socks btw.
While I think you did a great job explaining the adjustments, you should definitely do a part two with a stock unadjusted car and place a base line. Then adjust until it is best for you so we can see the adjustments in action. It would be very helpful to see them in us not just in concept
I wish we could download people’s set ups so people like me who don’t understand how to do it can get good set ups. It’s such a shame we don’t have this feature
my tune may work terrific for me and my driving style. And it may feel like garbage to you and your driving style. The next guy may absolutely love it.. PRT is a GREAT tuning group!! We are known for tuning road cars and. prolly one if the best if not the best. Check us out sometime. We are constantly sharing tunes in the group. But controller tunes generally domt transfer to wheels very well. But wheel tunes generally work well with controller.
You forgot to say that many players don’t even touch the tune and drive it as it comes. The sierra cosworth handles better on stock settings. I’ve won many races on stock tune, only changing tyres.
they need to allow tuning even with BOP to allow racers that know how to tune cars to do it and those that dont it will give them then want amd need to learn
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As a mechanic for over 35 years, I agree with your video. It is impossible to give a perfect setup for everyone in every car. I have a set up that works for me, most of the time. Sometimes I need to do things differently. I know how all this works and all that and even I can't tune every car for every person. You did as well as you can do... Good job.
I thought your comment was about to go and completely different way there, but thankfully you agreed 😂
Rory, what a fabulous video/ tutorial. Very very informative, but not too complicated. Covered everything you'll need to know for the tuning races...legend
It’s literally swings and roundabouts. Like you cannot have everything, it’s either/or. You gain here but you lose there. Or as Einstein would say, every action has an equal opposite reaction 🤣
It’s like I notice they’ve made a lot of the hyper-fast EVs incredible at acceleration and top speed but utterly atrocious at cornering-Porsche VGT Spyder, I’m looking a yo.
every track is different, and cracking the rite(#1 set up for each track and conditions surface weather etc, is still something people and race teams are figuring out to this day.
and heres this guy... Life long mechanic giving lessons for playing a video game. Until youre watching a Call of Duty video, at which point you get to share you combat skills, as a retired Delta Force combatant
Here's another tip: Don't change multiple settings at once. If it handles badly, you won't know which settings are at fault. Change one thing at time - then test drive. If it feels better, save the spec at that point. If the next adjustment feels worse, revert to the save. One step at a time.
Good thinking 99
It should be noted, that damper compression and rebound only affect the suspension during movement. In other words, more downforce requires more natural frequency, not more damping. The aero load is applied much too slowly for the dampers to affect the suspension. This is why more comprehensive sims use proper low and high speed damper settings. Low speed are for vehicle direction changes (slow damper movements) and high speed is used for bumps, curbs, and jumps (high damper speeds). You ultimately want to run the softest springs you can without bottoming for the most mechanical grip, and set the dampers so the tires stay in contact with the ground but keep the suspension from contacting the bumpstops.
True.
But most people forget some simple, but utterly important facts.
Different tracks demand different setups.
Some tracks are bumpy, some are smooth flat surface, some has gentle curbs, some has really rugh curbs (you should stay away from.)
But also the gearing is important.
Max speed reached just before breaking after the fastest section on a given track, differnt gears adjusted, so they fit the corners, which reduces your amount of shifts and your already in the powerband.
Aero adjusting, according to track.
Short tracks with a lot of cornering demands lots of downforce, medium fast tracks will have a benifit of lowering the downforce, and sometimes the track benifits fron a general low downforce, which gives you a slightly lower corner speed, but you will make that up by beeing 5-6 km/h faster on all the straights.
I've been a race drive, so i know exactly what a few mm adjusted the right place can influence the out come, dramatically.
As a professional driving instructor, I have to hand it to you: your approach and content in this video are excellent and informative. Hats off, must have been quite a bit of work.
I love science with Rory, the diagrams of the roll bar was extremely comprehensive, appreciation for us smooth brain players
As they say my friend, keep it simple, stupid!
It does help a bit, for a beginner, such as myself but it would be more beneficial or an easier understanding if you took a default or stock setup and actually show how you're applying the tuning in real time. This is the number of said categories when you first buy or receive the car, and this is the number I changed it to and why. I realize it would be a much longer video, but for us with zero knowledge of tune, we would watch the entire thing, so we had an even more understanding of the dynamics at play. Anyways, any help is better than nothing at all
Rory, what a fabulous video/ tutorial. Very very informative, but not too complicated. Covered everything you'll need to know for the tuning races...legend
Glad this is here! The one setting i can never get right is the compression and expansion of the springs. Thank you, Rory!
It took me ages to learn it myself, glad it helped!
As a complete noob to gt7 your explanations are exactly what I needed to hear to help me understand this all. Thank you, great video!!!!!!!!
Speaking as a pensioner who has managed to reach this age without developing any significant level of mechanical aptitude, I think i actually understood most of that. I often copy tunes that posters on RUclips show for various cars, but apart from sticking on medium race tyres, or inters if it's wet, to most cars, or weight removal, race brakes, and a turbo to a few others, I don't really attempt to alter the detailed settings myself, because I've never been able to predict the results and would have no clue if I was going to make things better or worse. After watching your easy-to-follow guide, I feel it may be more worthwhile having a go. Thanks. Much appreciated.
After watching a lot of tuning videos, this is the one we needed especially when it comes to explaining LSD settings. Simple and Concise. Great Job Rory!
Toe works for stability in both directions with the rear to a certain extent. At least in real life. Toe out in the rear is actually what I preferred on my race cars because it helps the car rotate in the turn and anything over 600 horsepower is going to naturally toe in as the car accelerates because the front of the wheels want to pull forward so we would set up our car stationary with a slight toe out. Toe in on the rear always killed the front end, made my car push, ruin my drive off turns. I was taught in school that a majority of production vehicles are set up with the drive wheels being toe out just from the wheels natural tendency to pull itself forward back to center line under acceleration which is what the car is doing a majority of its life.
Your string theory is incredible and using the toys for comparison is a great idea. Entertaining and true. Love your content. Thank you so much for making it.
Great video Rory, been looking for something like this because I recently started playing Project Cars 3 as well where a lot of tuning is required and it gets frustrating sometimes. This will certainly help a great deal. I wish there was a part where you can explain all these tuning aspects in relation to different drivetrains. For example how FWD, RWD and 4WD behave when you change different settings and which basic rules one can follow for each setting relative to the type of car.
Thank you sir. It may feel weird to explain these things this over and over again, but you made it easy to understand. Respect
This is the best video on settings I’ve ever seen!!
No unnecessary complicating it
Rory 'GT' Alexander giving us all an easy to follow leason. Not all hero's wear a cape.
Cheers Rory.
Thank you so much for highlighting how useful anti roll bars for grip while low. People so quickly dismiss it for max "feel" of grip, when what they actually feel is stiffness.
A million out of ten.
The only thing you could do for a next video is.
What physics traits does gt7 not get right and we need to work around, vs following exact real life tuning options.
Really appreciate this video. What would be awesome is a video that shows Steering issues, and then setting adjustments that can correct the issue
This is a good guide. Having watched car racing it always a balancing act between all these setting to achieve the perfect set up!
Great video buddy! Subscribed!!!
I loved the toy explanation it was funny as heck xD
Great editing and explanations! I will use these tips for my Forza tuning :D
Thank you so much for this. I now see at least two things I need to do differently, rear toe angle and LSD breaking. The rest will helpful for getting the most performance.
Holy moly. Best run down of those settings. Very much appreciated!
Edited note: just adjusted the McLaren F1 and improved my times up to 2 seconds! And for a car such as that, That is pretty substantial
This helps 🙌 you definitely gave a lot of talks in your previous jobs? Not a stumble or stutter, simply explained 💪🏻
Love tuning seeing a road car progressing agility great video 📹
One of the most useful GT7 videos ever, thanks fella
The anti-roll bar part had me thinking of Richard Hammond in the Science Corner where he explained the difference between oversteer and understeer
I love that Rory never talks much about car dynamics but he actually understands tune and tuning on a scientific level I wonder how he was younger he’s great
Excellent guide. Very clearly explained. Great video. 👍
Well this video is gonna help me out a lot in the future ! Very well explained for people like me who have no background with cars or racing in real life 🙌 Thanks Rory 🏆
Thanks!
You showing the toy cars was great for me. Ima visual learner
i've been winging it for decades with tuning, lol. Right now I have a porsche that does a wheelie for about 100mph... not sure how badly i broke it. Tried to have only 20% at the front wheels but i have to baby her. Shes a BEAST though once uh.. i can drive it. The 959. Thanks for the video.
Thank you for this video. I was able to fall asleep very quickly while watching it.
I love science me. Lol. Cheers Rory actually very helpful to someone like me who has no idea when it comes to setting a car up.👍
Total respect to you for making this vlog while you’re still ill
Hats off to you sir
Saved! Great content. Thanks!!!!
This was awesome. More of a physics lesson too! Thanks Rory. I appreciate this.
📝 very useful knowledge! I’ll implement them.
Finally an excuse to get the Monster truck out 🤣 love it. Great job Rory great explanation 👌
All great info but really love the super scientific demo for the anti roll 😊
I love you man. This video came at the right time
I feel like tuning is adjusting values in relation to the stock geometry of the car. Thats fine when youre dealing with high performance cars, but when trying to escalate cars like older muscle cars, even maxed out spring and dampers still dont feel like enough.
Most of the time this is caused by too LOW a ride height.
🤷 Raise it up a bit.
Thanks for the advice explanation Rory! God bless you
Great explanation my friend, thank you 🙏
I will never understand why they changed the spring rate to this confusing frequency unit instead of simple kg/mm like in the games before. It's not even consistent from car to car.
personaly i spent many hours reading thoes articles decade or years ago. leaning much and was well worth buying game because of
I really appreciate the information that you gave us in your video. You made it so easy to understand the things that were so difficult for me to understand before. Thank you. On a sidenote, has anyone ever told you that you remind them of Jason Statham… if you had a shaved head lowered your voice some and added a little rasp to it😂… I’m just saying…
Outstanding work, learned a lot.
Hi master, can you make a video on how to configure the steering wheel in Gran Turismo? I have a Logitech g29 and when I play competitive multiplayer I feel that my car brakes too much in the corners unlike the other players. They go at maximum speed in each corner and I also feel that it takes a while to accelerate and regain maximum speed when exiting a corner. I have also noticed that before taking a corner my car also brakes, unlike other players, I have tried deactivating the assistance and the problem persists. Thank you.
Toe in on rear increases slip angle.= tire slides easier. Toe out decreases slip angle.= less chance for tire slip. The tire your leaning on [rear]should be helping you turn not shearing the road surface. I find a little toe out in rear help car turn. Add more acceleration in the lsd to that tire your leaning on during the turn will help kick the rear out. Works for me.
Nice video, appreciate the time it took to put it together.
Sadly, it highlights the greatest issue- without a "guidebook" from PD, all of this is largely hearsay.
I can find numerous suspension tuning videos from other quality content racers that will disagree with many of the points you've raised.
They will even show in game content to back up their explanation.
Thanks man, this was very helpful. I’ve noticed you said ‘damper’ quite a lot, but that thing is called a dampener 🤔 I guess the damper would be something that makes the thing damp (wet).
Love your videos! 🥂
Careful... Your going to spark an argument with the...
Damper / Shock absorber community 😮😂.
It absorbs shock from hitting bumps.
And it dampens the movement of the spring. 🎉
Thank you for explaining. But how I put this together? Where do I start? Say the car is ok to drive but a bit more grip out of corners would be nice. Now what do I do? For example.
Very informative video Rory.
In my case of i breaking long my car is about to spin unless i control the breaking. What would u change to make it better to control during breaking ?
After the physics overhaul what do yall ste camber as?
Useful information Rory, thank you for sharing 🙏
Where can we find tunes for the dailies? Like a template almost?
Marvellous - didn’t understand a word, but it all sounded magnificent 😂
3:24 some of us our visual learners. good example lol
great, understandable, well done 👍
paying attention like this will be part of my test tomorrow
Now this is another video from you that will help me improve. Best RUclips channel by a mile!! Thank you. Hopefully on A+ soon 😅😅 Loving the Christmas socks btw.
Thanks I thought I'd make an effort with the socks!
Thanks Rory important information
Omg you just saved my build
This is hilarious. What rock have you been hiding under? Crammond was doing this more than twenty years ago! 😄
Great video! Many thanks
Is natural frequency not just rebound?
I don't get it - both low and high acceleration sensitivity increase understeer?
Brilliant video cheers
Thank you, this is very helpful.
Hey Rory, why do a few of my cars spin out when I hit the brakes and turn at all?
Great Video!
I have yet to see tuners tune a slow car to a fast car in lobbies is why most grab tryhard cars The Wraith PR STaTiK great video
I get the gist of some of this and then my brain does a Homer and I think of doughnuts
The Paw Patrol reference 👌
brilliant video, cheers
how do i know tuning is on in sport mode?
We need a gt7 tune app, like forza has
Untill such time, I hope this helps a little...
Hey! I was better in GT Sports (22 victories) and in GT7 only 1 pole position. Is GT7 more difficult?
While I think you did a great job explaining the adjustments, you should definitely do a part two with a stock unadjusted car and place a base line. Then adjust until it is best for you so we can see the adjustments in action. It would be very helpful to see them in us not just in concept
I wish we could download people’s set ups so people like me who don’t understand how to do it can get good set ups. It’s such a shame we don’t have this feature
my tune may work terrific for me and my driving style. And it may feel like garbage to you and your driving style. The next guy may absolutely love it.. PRT is a GREAT tuning group!! We are known for tuning road cars and. prolly one if the best if not the best. Check us out sometime. We are constantly sharing tunes in the group. But controller tunes generally domt transfer to wheels very well. But wheel tunes generally work well with controller.
No definitely not. You should learn to do tuning then your understand how to do car tuning otherwise it's a skill issue if you can't tune
You forgot to say that many players don’t even touch the tune and drive it as it comes. The sierra cosworth handles better on stock settings. I’ve won many races on stock tune, only changing tyres.
Love the stained shirt. Reminds me that you are just a normal human being like me.
Owwhh educational toilet break, great video 🙌🧊
Multitasking Ice, love it!
@EERIEISSSS 🤣🤣👍🧊
Shout out robo dog 🐕 lol 3:19
We needed this
🙏
I swear the diff setting is backwards to how the description says.
This is like an alien tongue to me
This video should be linked into gt7 menu - right?
Chunning Rory? Are we eating a chuna fish sandwich later?
Hi Rory! Can we have this as a text document?
they need to allow tuning even with BOP to allow racers that know how to tune cars to do it and those that dont it will give them then want amd need to learn
Then why does my setup change due to BoP?
Regards from Portugal
Old settings 2 and 3 a-spec count here great not don't have too many problems with grippp
I love the socks LOL